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	<title>Comments on: Selecting an ORM for a .NET project: A real-world tale.</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rory Sandoval</title>
		<link>http://rdn-consulting.com/blog/2007/07/19/selecting-an-orm-for-a-net-project-a-real-world-tale/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory Sandoval</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have used NHibernate, for a medium project( 250 tables / Entities). I seriously recomend latest version. We started with 1.0.x, but we are moving to the latest version... 

I works just well, and some things are easier than Java Hibernate... 

You can also use Spring.NET. Just the same way... in Java. Try it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used NHibernate, for a medium project( 250 tables / Entities). I seriously recomend latest version. We started with 1.0.x, but we are moving to the latest version&#8230; </p>
<p>I works just well, and some things are easier than Java Hibernate&#8230; </p>
<p>You can also use Spring.NET. Just the same way&#8230; in Java. Try it.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel lujan</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel lujan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iBatis is a good option.

      http://ibatis.apache.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iBatis is a good option.</p>
<p>      <a href="http://ibatis.apache.org" rel="nofollow">http://ibatis.apache.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Software Developers Company</title>
		<link>http://rdn-consulting.com/blog/2007/07/19/selecting-an-orm-for-a-net-project-a-real-world-tale/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Software Developers Company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rails Ruby and CakePHP are upcoming ones too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rails Ruby and CakePHP are upcoming ones too.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://rdn-consulting.com/blog/2007/07/19/selecting-an-orm-for-a-net-project-a-real-world-tale/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After hearing this, I'm thankful for Grails. Easy as Rails, usable seamlessly with Java, uses Hibernate without any configuration or annotations. And although there are problems with Hibernate, it mostly works, very activly developed and supported. Perhaps with the use of JPA in Grails in the future, developers could just swap Hibernate for Toplink or others and reduce some remaining risk. Thanks Graeme !

Peace
-stephan

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After hearing this, I&#8217;m thankful for Grails. Easy as Rails, usable seamlessly with Java, uses Hibernate without any configuration or annotations. And although there are problems with Hibernate, it mostly works, very activly developed and supported. Perhaps with the use of JPA in Grails in the future, developers could just swap Hibernate for Toplink or others and reduce some remaining risk. Thanks Graeme !</p>
<p>Peace<br />
-stephan</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Stephan Schmidt :: <a href="mailto:stephan@reposita.org">stephan@reposita.org</a><br />
Reposita Open Source - Monitor your software development<br />
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Blog at <a href="http://stephan.reposita.org" rel="nofollow">http://stephan.reposita.org</a> - No signal. No noise.</p>
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		<title>By: Chui Tey</title>
		<link>http://rdn-consulting.com/blog/2007/07/19/selecting-an-orm-for-a-net-project-a-real-world-tale/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Chui Tey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I must add that sometimes scrounging on tools is not necessarily the cheapest way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I must add that sometimes scrounging on tools is not necessarily the cheapest way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Allen</title>
		<link>http://rdn-consulting.com/blog/2007/07/19/selecting-an-orm-for-a-net-project-a-real-world-tale/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an effort underway to support SQLite in LINQ. The last time I looked at it was Sep 12, 2006, so I don't know the current status.

http://www.infoq.com/news/sqlite</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an effort underway to support SQLite in LINQ. The last time I looked at it was Sep 12, 2006, so I don&#8217;t know the current status.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.infoq.com/news/sqlite" rel="nofollow">http://www.infoq.com/news/sqlite</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Decoene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Decoene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written and just what I needed at this time. 
It is allmost like a piece I would be able to write, I'm in exactly the same situation with the multiple DB's and wondering which ORM to select for an upcoming project. (I'd use rails altogether but the customer want ASP.NET so that's what he'll get...)
I was searching the blogs to find information on other peoples findings with the available ORM packages for .net. I'm exactly where you where at a year ago, having selected gentle.net and nhibernate. I too find nhibernate rather daunting and would like to see something simpler (or more layered).
I guess I'm going to look over a couple of others too but in the end, end up with nhibernate anyway.
Thanks for the intel, it was really welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written and just what I needed at this time.<br />
It is allmost like a piece I would be able to write, I&#8217;m in exactly the same situation with the multiple DB&#8217;s and wondering which ORM to select for an upcoming project. (I&#8217;d use rails altogether but the customer want ASP.NET so that&#8217;s what he&#8217;ll get&#8230;)<br />
I was searching the blogs to find information on other peoples findings with the available ORM packages for .net. I&#8217;m exactly where you where at a year ago, having selected gentle.net and nhibernate. I too find nhibernate rather daunting and would like to see something simpler (or more layered).<br />
I guess I&#8217;m going to look over a couple of others too but in the end, end up with nhibernate anyway.<br />
Thanks for the intel, it was really welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Moth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wrote:
"Any developer that’s using open source components is, or will be someday, in the exact same situation as I am. Doing good software design to mitigate these types of issues is why they pay us the big bucks!"

I was expecting you to end with:
"Any developer that’s using open source components is, or will be someday, in the exact same situation as I am. Evaluating vendors by looking at their likelihood of being around in 10-20 years is why they pay us the big bucks!"

:-)

Also, note that IMO you should forget about LINQ-to-SQL for your scenario. It isn't a natural fit for scenarios that require database independence. If you are looking for an MS solution, you should consider the Entity framework (shipping later after LINQ-to-SQL).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote:<br />
&#8220;Any developer that’s using open source components is, or will be someday, in the exact same situation as I am. Doing good software design to mitigate these types of issues is why they pay us the big bucks!&#8221;</p>
<p>I was expecting you to end with:<br />
&#8220;Any developer that’s using open source components is, or will be someday, in the exact same situation as I am. Evaluating vendors by looking at their likelihood of being around in 10-20 years is why they pay us the big bucks!&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://rdn-consulting.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, note that IMO you should forget about LINQ-to-SQL for your scenario. It isn&#8217;t a natural fit for scenarios that require database independence. If you are looking for an MS solution, you should consider the Entity framework (shipping later after LINQ-to-SQL).</p>
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